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Re: Other Planned mods
Reply #15 on: June 08, 2010, 04:55:57 AM
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2.3 from who? I dont think this would be a good Idea. I dont want to Turbo it. I am building a Hi Revving engine that can maintain a high rev throughout turns. I dont think if I bore it out to a 2.3L that it will be able to handle the high compression I had in mind.
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Re: Other Planned mods
Reply #16 on: June 08, 2010, 06:36:14 AM
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Goog luck making your own stroker then LOL.... The only known stroker kit (offered by Tom) is a 2.3.  And it's 5k just for the crank and internals.
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Re: Other Planned mods
Reply #17 on: June 08, 2010, 11:54:34 AM
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I wouldve edited my post to add this but for some reason I cant.

But I dont know if you "know what you are talking about now."  You last post you contridicted your self.  The stoker kit could be for either application (low comp. or high comp builds)

You want a high reving engine that can maintain high revs through corners.  Ok is it just me or does this make no sence at all.  reving high in a corner?

And you are talking about going turbo, but keep mentioning a high compression build.  These two do NOT go hand in hand.
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Re: Other Planned mods
Reply #18 on: June 08, 2010, 01:04:49 PM
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when did I say I wanted a turbo? With the weight the car will be at that would be ludicrous. Too much power for the weight. It would be insanely hard to handle. Torque steer like a MTF. And yes you do want High revs through a corner, Most of the time its hard to decide weather to down shift, stay in high revs or up shift, because you could shift out of your power band when you shift. thus creating a high rev engine would help out in that area because you have more revolutions to play with thus allowing you to keep it there for more turns and creating a high rev engine would also push the power band up allowing you to stay in a gear that is revving high and still power out of it.. A 2.3L stroker kit would also be risky for me because it may not fit my needs and how responsive I want the car to be. a changing it to a 2.1L allows me to better gauge its performance and if I can increase it more. I never said I was buying a kit by the way. I plan to custom do it. Obviously If I am talking about buying wheel that could cost well in the 10k range you think im going to care how much it costs me to get what I want and fits my driving style as far as my engine goes?
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Re: Other Planned mods
Reply #19 on: June 08, 2010, 01:40:59 PM
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Quote from: "born2xlzx2"
I dont know much about blue printing I just know it will probably benefit me so i still have to do some homework on it.

Indeed.  A lot of it will have to do with application, make sure you find a very good machinist.  I was taught some interesting tricks in finding a good machinist for you from an old time racer who has dealt with a lot of builds.

- Make sure you find one that takes interest in your project, and what you're looking for in application
- Make sure his equipment is up to par, well maintained, even if it's old - maintenance and precision is the most important
- Keep in mind it's setting a specification - not a tolerance
- Make sure they are thorough! and i quote
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In our measurements we always went to the tenth of a thou, i.e. 0.0001", and in balancing we always went to a tenth of a gram. By the way, measurements are done with dial bore gauges, micrometers and the ilk, not plastigage!!!

A lot of it will have to do with application.  Is this going to be an engine that will run a lap or two and need some slop and forgiveness in the metal as it goes along? Is it going to be an engine that instead will do endurance races and go for long periods of time? Is it going to be an engine that will be revving high and need tight tolerances for it's specification and use to be able to consistently achieve those with accuracy?

Definitely do the homework on blueprinting because there is a lot more to it than just blueprinting.  I was told by this fellow (and I trust his information very much so, he's not set me wrong so far, very knowledgeable fellow) that a lot of shops will just "blueprint it" and not ask a lot of questions.  Later down the road you find out the tolerances inside for your specification weren't really designed for what you're looking for, and the engine isn't up to the efficiency you need it at for application.  And that's what it comes down to, application.

Balancing will also play a HUGE part of your engine build.  Of course as parts go to high rpms - the tendency to do things they shouldn't do to weight increases, lubrication changes, metal expands, and this is where the wear and tear happens.  An engine should be balanced and blueprinted to the specification and application you are using it for.  Make sure you do your homework for it, then find a machinist you trust to do the work who takes interest /in your application/ and go from there.

Hope this helps.  I'm in the process of finding one to do the balance and blueprinting on one of my Porsche motors.  So far I've yet to find "that machinist" to do the work.  I may end up having to travel for it for sure.

As to the high revs thing... you get into application again.  Keep in mind a different engine for a different build.  If the power and the way your engine makes torque is at a specific point and that works, then that's fine.  But it doesn't mean it's preferable for every engine.  I'm building mine for a mid range of rpms for my engine because of the way these engines run.  Specifically, I'll be building it for a specific set of tracks and applications, therefore I don't need to rev high, but need a good midrange torque to pull me out of corners with my specific application and rarely will approach over 5500pm with my engine.

On the other hand with a different car, different type of power, I may need a different range to operate at.  So keep in mind the statement of always wanting to be in high rpms will completely vary from application to application, which is what we are discussing here.

born2xlzx2 - also keep in mind such talk of spending such money on these vehicles is mostly unheard of, etc etc... so of course many people are likely to flick you crap and shoot you flak till motion is brought forth from statements.  So don't take it personally when people question it.  But indeed some of the statements are a bit confusing since you are talking about some of these mods but also state you don't fully understand how some of it works, just keep in mind it's all a learning experience to take in and at some point we all learn :) There is nothing wrong with that.  At least you're willing to admit you don't understand some of it, this shows you're willing to put that out there and soak in info, which having an open mind about these things is EXACTLY how you learn about them.

But let's keep the tension to a minimum fellas.  No one minds a good discussion about things, but we try to keep it tight knit over here, don't let it become an argument.  I would rather see our members here learn from each other, than have a bitter feel towards each other.  You learn so much more that way :)

Good luck with your build, born2xlzx2.  I'll look forward to it's completion.
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Re: Other Planned mods
Reply #20 on: June 08, 2010, 02:24:16 PM
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My bad I misread I thought you said you were going turbo.  Now that j look back it say you do not want to go turbo.  This is one reason I was questioning ur high revs.  But now that I looked backill retract my previous statment.

If you are really going 100% custom it's going to cost alot of $!  You might want to think about other things too such as what if something breaks and you need a replacment part. I thought the 2.3 kit was expensive, your is going to be proably double that!
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Re: Other Planned mods
Reply #21 on: June 08, 2010, 02:43:26 PM
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Thanks guys great posts so much to take away there. And trust Me I will take as much As I can away from your posts. Yes I consed to your point that every engine is different and it depends on the application. But like I said i think this application suits my driving style. And yes the amount of money I plan to spend on it yet is about 40-50k. I have already dropped about 25k into the escort. thanks to a botched port and polish job from Gude I had to put in an extra 2k just to fix the top end. Im sure Gude is pretty good at times, but the product I got was not what I was sold on. Hell they didnt even do anything to the top end other than Spray it with a  graphite type spray to make it look polished. Oh well lesson learned there. I cant help but take things to heart most of the time cuz I have been through a lot with this little girl and well I have had it since it was New in 02. Done all the work I could possibly do myself. Did not do the Port and polish cuz I was afraid I would screw it up and I didnt really know enough to do it.....And I didnt have the time to learn about it. I was still in the Marines at the time. Plus Young people tend to take things to heart a lot more than you seasoned guys. ;)  And I just tend to get defensive about her...she is like my second wife. LOL.
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Re: Other Planned mods
Reply #22 on: June 08, 2010, 02:44:28 PM
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Oh and Koi you can bet Im printing that last post out :D
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Re: Other Planned mods
Reply #23 on: June 08, 2010, 02:52:42 PM
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Quote from: "born2xlzx2"
And I just tend to get defensive about her...she is like my second wife. LOL.

 :lol: totally know what you mean
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Re: Other Planned mods
Reply #24 on: June 08, 2010, 08:16:43 PM
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im sure 99% of the people ehre can relate to that  :lol: .....Oh and just so you guys knwo I really am not a "Newbie" I was around about a year after I got my Z thanks to meeting Lamar. He turned me onto this site and I believe this site went through some construction and revamping and everyone had to recreate their profiles...I think. And At that point I was like...meh I am not doing much right now anyway considering I was on the other side of the world away from my Z. Just letting you guys know been around for some time.
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Re: Other Planned mods
Reply #25 on: June 08, 2010, 08:47:14 PM
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Yeah i saw the date listed on the profile - nice to see an old timer back on the site!
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Re: Other Planned mods
Reply #26 on: June 08, 2010, 08:54:56 PM
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Personally, I tend to agree with foundation work no matter what "tune" it sees. Beefy bottom ends can never be discounted when you get into the top of the ladder and want to really push it on hot tires.
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Re: Other Planned mods
Reply #27 on: June 09, 2010, 06:21:20 AM
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Yeah that is why I am not going to allow for a repeat of my Gude "incident" and really do my homework and search for a good machinist that I can bounce Ideas off of and has some experience building race engines. Hell I will Send it overseas if I have to.
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